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7 hours 1 minute ago #273042 by KatiaPhilippot
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Hello everyone,I’m trying to set up a questionnaire with the following structure:
  • GROUPE Q1  (1 question)
  • GROUPE CE 2.1 (4 questions)
  • GROUPE CE 2.2 (4 questions)
  • GROUPE CE 2.3 (4 questions)
  • GROUPE CE 2.4 (4 questions)
  • GROUPE JC1.1 (2 questions)
  • GROUPE JC1.2 (2 questions)
Goal:
I want to randomize the three main sections: GROUPE Q1, GROUPE Q2, and GROUPE Q3.
So far, that’s easy — I can simply use the same “Randomization group name”.Problem:
I need the subgroups Q2.1, Q2.2, Q2.3, and Q2.4 to move together as one block (for ex : I want to avoid an order like Q2.2 → Q1 → Q2.1 but i want  Q1 → Q2.1 → Q2.2 )
These four subgroups should always remain consecutive. I learnt from this forum that there is no "super-groups" and I tried the tpartner 's  solution from this page : forums.limesurvey.org/forum/design-issue...tion-and-group-order (i can't see  Joffm's  solution)
But i am not sure that it will work for me since : 
  1. It would create far too many questions to manage individually (which makes it overly complex), and
  2. I want to randomize the subgroups from Q2.1 to Q2.4 without randomizing the questions that are inside each subgroups
So i tried this solution 

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But i feel like it might have a simplier solution.
Explanation of the solution attached : Here I have 6 scenarios of the randomization. 
I set up a solution where, for scenarios 1 and 2, group Q is displayed in first position (Q_1_2).
Then, I created another group (CE1_1_3_4) which is displayed in second position for scenario 1 (since group Q has already been seen), and in first position for scenarios 3 and 4, and so on.

Hope my explanation was clear enough for you to understand. 

Thanks in advance for any suggestions !

 





 

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2 hours 23 minutes ago #273046 by Joffm
Sorry, but I am really confused.

Your lss export doesn't match your above requirement at all.

  • GROUPE Q1  (1 question)
  • GROUPE CE 2.1 (4 questions)
  • GROUPE CE 2.2 (4 questions)
  • GROUPE CE 2.3 (4 questions)
  • GROUPE CE 2.4 (4 questions)
  • GROUPE JC1.1 (2 questions)
  • GROUPE JC1.2 (2 questions)

You wrote

I need the subgroups Q2.1, Q2.2, Q2.3, and Q2.4

Where are they?
What is Groupe CE? Are these the subgroups of Q1? Why these different names?
And what is Groupe JC? Are these seperate groups that do not belong to this randomisation?

And about my solution that you didn't find: It was based on the fact that in the questions there only were displayed different images.
So there was created a random order at the beginning and the images were piped in. The questions themselves were always in the same order.

Please send a lss export that matches your first requirement AND contains real questions (not only text display questions).
Otherwise we can't decide if a solution with tayloring is possible.

Joffm 

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