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1 year 4 months ago #182016 by holch
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Yes, LTS stands for Long Term Support. However, the word "Long" is relative. And the LTS has been actually supported for relatively long, at least for LS conditions.

However, the support, even if LTS for 2.6.x is over. The only currently supported version of Limesurvey is 3.x.

In Limesurvey, there were never LTS versions. However, due to the "disaster" of 2.50 they decided to provide bug fixes for 2.6.x for a little longer than usual and called it LTS.

I am not sure if there will be ever a new LTS, because from my understanding it was rather a reaction to the issues of the 2.50 version than anything else.

We run 2.6.7 LTS assuming it is the latest LTS and will stay supported for a LONG time.

Well, no. As Jelo already mentioned, the Long Term Support for this version has ended. The only officially supported version is 3.x at the moment.

Denis has a fork of 2.6.x LTS that he still supports though.

So the 2.6.x LTS has been EOL for quite a while already.

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1 year 4 months ago #182032 by hvgard
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Thanks @holch for the answers, now I'm even more worried. For quite a few reasons:

- As a business user I expect there is always an LTS version.
- When that is replaced, I expect (a) an upgrade path and (b) a new LTS version.
- It is very nice that Denis supports v2.6.7 LTS, but I assume I'm a Limesurvey customer, not Denis (don't take it personal please :-)).
- As a customer I got - to my knowledge - no message 2.6.7LTS is not longer supported. And I'm also not aware that such a proposal was done by the Limesurvey team.

I think we need a kind of user group or customer group to discuss such decision and take decision together. If for example this turns out to be a €€ question we should discuss that too.

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1 year 4 months ago #182035 by holch
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I am only stating what I know (collected from various sources, as it is quite difficult to get clear statements from the Limesurvey GmbH). It doesn't mean that I like or don't like it or that I stand behind this decision or not.

I don't know in which way you are a customer of the Limesurvey GmbH. If you have a subscription with Limesurvey Pro or something similar, it is probably a good idea to discuss your concern with the Limesurvey GmbH.

If you are not a paying customer, I don't know how much impact your concerns will have on the decision making process there.

But anyway, it is always worth a try. When I am concerned about the direction that LS is taking, I voice it. I am not sure if the forum is the place where those that make decisions in the Limesurvey GmbH will see your concern. I would try to send an email asking about those things.

Here in the forum, most of us are just community members that help out. From time to time someone from the Limesurvey GmbH shows but, but you must be lucky.

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1 year 4 months ago #182037 by holch
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Holch and Denis are not part of LimeSurvey GmbH. So write directly to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. or open a support ticket.

Yep, just a voluntary moderator in the forum, doing this for fun. At least for me. I don't know how much impact Denis's voice is heard when it comes to decisions. But he is not part of the Limesurvey GmbH either.

Just like Jelo said: If you have based your business on Limesurvey, you might want to speak to Carsten, as only he might be able to give you a little bit more information on the direction and how you can ensure your needs are met in the future and how you can be more involved in the project.

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1 year 4 months ago #182038 by hvgard
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Exactly. We have invested lots of time, money and effort on developing templates and tools around it for 2.x, 2.x.x. The TFR stuff is great for that but as long as that is not ported to 3.x or 4.x and stable and supported we will stick with 2.6.7 and need an LTS. We have customers that run continuous for 7 years now and one that utilizes a 5-server scalable cluster with a tested load of 5000 visitors per minute. I can't risk to gamble with that .....

PS: Still LS is the only survey system that supports this, hence we need a SUPPORTED LTS.

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1 year 4 months ago #182041 by hvgard
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Haha, another confusion :-). One expects the company to keep an eye on the forum too. BTW very happy with how we support each other here. LS-GMBH could never achieve that. So I really like this GMBG/Forum combi!!!

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1 year 4 months ago #182043 by hvgard
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Why is it better to move to 3.x from 2.6.x? Better for what? I mainly see problems and instabilities and gaps.

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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago #182045 by DenisChenu
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I mean : it's better to move from 2.6lts to 3.X than to 2.7X …

3.X have some great improvments : a11y issue, theme manager,
And 2.6lts admin look 15 years old ;)

PS : remind too : 2.6lts even on my repo can have security issue not reported but well know on some internet space.

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1 year 4 months ago #182053 by hvgard
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Haha, I *LOVE* the admin. It is very productive and still seems better than 3.x (sorry dev guys). I heard rumours it has improved lately, but I still hear it is less than 2.x.

I seriously doubt a responsive admin UI is better for LS. Just like word, pages, excel, wordpress and lots of other packages, we all use it mainly on a laptop with wide screen and lots of pixels. Who edits on a tablet or phone?

And the template manager still seems to change every once in a while. As a business user that scares me.

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1 year 4 months ago #182075 by DenisChenu
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hvgard wrote: It is very nice that Denis supports v2.6.7 LTS, but I assume I'm a Limesurvey customer, not Denis (don't take it personal please :-)).

No, issue :) and totally right :)

hvgard wrote: As a customer

What do you mean by Customer ? I think LimeSurvey GMBH customer are only those
1. Hosted on limesurvey (with more than 25 response by month)
2. Have a ConfortUpdate (premieum or more) account

If i remind, it can be different in Germany about legal, but i think LimeSurvey GMBH take more care of this customers (like i take more core of my clients for developemnts).

hvgard wrote: …
PS: Still LS is the only survey system that supports this…

Really intersetion to hear :)

hvgard wrote: …
I seriously doubt a responsive admin UI is better for LS. Just like word, pages, excel, wordpress and lots of other packages, we all use it mainly on a laptop with wide screen and lots of pixels. Who edits on a tablet or phone?

One of my client (using LimeSurvey since 1.70 and before) move to last version because their client like the new admin UI ;) (before they say «your tool is too oldy for us»).


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10 months 3 weeks ago #188800 by tassoman
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jelo wrote: LimeSurvey 3.0 - LTS Version - CE support until end of 2019; LimeSurvey Professional support until end of 2020
LimeSurvey 4.0 - Non-LTS Version - launch approximately end of 2018 - beginning of 2019


I was wondering about versioning and changelog.
Our concern is about introduction of new features that we should audit for security, before deploying.
I put here some questions and doubts:

a) Are you using Semantic Versioning ?

Do you only add new features inside the mayor release? Can we go green updating minor versions? (3.x.y)



aa) Looks like LS-CE isn't LTS, support will end with 2019, while 4.0 doesn't look stable yet.

What happens to CE users after 2019? Must they migrate directly to 4.x asap?


b) Is there any changelog web page?

I can’t see any CHANGELOG.MD file inside the Github repository neither in this website navigation menu.. I would like to integrate changelog notations with our deployments.

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10 months 3 weeks ago #188801 by DenisChenu
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tassoman wrote: a) Are you using Semantic Versioning ?

Only since 3.X ;)

tassoman wrote: Do you only add new features inside the mayor release? Can we go green updating minor versions? (3.x.y)

Yes, but error can happen (but then it fixed when reported)


tassoman wrote: aa) Looks like LS-CE isn't LTS, support will end with 2019, while 4.0 doesn't look stable yet.

I think (my opinion) it muts be updated when 4.X is really out …


tassoman wrote: b) Is there any changelog web page?

github.com/LimeSurvey/LimeSurvey/blob/ma...cs/release_notes.txt :)

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10 months 3 weeks ago #188806 by holch
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while 4.0 doesn't look stable yet.


Well, there isn't a "stable" version out yet, so no surprise here.

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