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3 years 3 months ago - 3 years 3 months ago #228805 by Arthur__
Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe was created by Arthur__
Your LimeSurvey version: Version 5.3.5+220314
Survey theme/template: fruity
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Bonjour,
Je rencontre un problème : sur plusieurs groupes de questions je présente un tableau de questions similaires sur lequel je souhaite que les items soit dans un ordre aléatoire (pour éviter des réponses automatiques vu que la participants peuvent s'y habituer) et j'ai réussi en l'activant sur chacune des questions concernées (Paramètres > Affichage > Ordre Aléatoire > Yes). Cependant, le problème que j'ai c'est que l'ordre aléatoire a beau être randomiser au début, il ne change pas entre les groupes et je ne sais pas comment y remédier...

Merci d'avance !
Last edit: 3 years 3 months ago by Arthur__.

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3 years 3 months ago #228808 by Joffm
Replied by Joffm on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
English please in this part of the forum.
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3 years 3 months ago #228810 by Arthur__
Replied by Arthur__ on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
Sorry, here in english :

Hello,
I have a problem: on several groups of questions I present a table of same questions on which I want the items to be in a random order (to avoid automatic answers as the participants can get used to it) and I succeeded in activating it on each of the questions concerned (Settings > Display > Random order > Yes). However, the problem I'm having is that the random order may be randomised at the start, but it doesn't change between groups and I don't know how to fix it...

Thanks in advance!

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3 years 3 months ago #228812 by tpartner
Replied by tpartner on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
The order should be randomized separately for each question.

Can you provide a sample survey (.lss file) containing only a couple of questions?
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Tony Partner
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3 years 3 months ago #228815 by Arthur__
Replied by Arthur__ on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
Here a sample survey with only 8 group of questions that I mentioned above :
we.tl/t-e1Q0SjvoPy

The questions concerned are all those whose code ends with 2 (one per group)
 

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3 years 3 months ago #228830 by holch
Replied by holch on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
Why using Wetransfer if you can just upload the LSS file here in the forum?
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3 years 3 months ago #228831 by Arthur__
Replied by Arthur__ on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
Doesn't work, I can only upload image on forum

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3 years 3 months ago #228832 by holch
Replied by holch on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
Of course it works, we and others do it all the time. You need to pick "attachements" and upload them. Works of course only when the editor is open, not with "quick reply".
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3 years 3 months ago #228842 by Arthur__
Replied by Arthur__ on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
Okay thanks ! Here it is :

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3 years 3 months ago #228889 by Joffm
Replied by Joffm on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
Hi, I think the problem is that we can't reproduce this.
If you ask here in English or in the French part.

Here in 5.3.10. (also tested in 5.3.16.)





You see, each array is randomized differently.

Two remarks:
Is there a special reason that you set some relevance equations to "2"?
Remember: Here you enter a logical term that is either TRUE or FALSE.
If TRUE the question is displayed, if FALSE it is not displayed.
Now the numerical representation of FALSE is "0", of TRUE everything else.
So if you enter "1" or "2" or "12345", or let it empty (what is the default), doesn't matter.

You set the minimum answers of the array to "9".
Now you see that the question starts with an error, because the given answers are less than 9.
But your array has only 9 subquestions.
And furthermore it is a mandatory question. So why this additional setting?

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3 years 3 months ago #228900 by Arthur__
Replied by Arthur__ on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
On the preview it works without problem but when I launch the questionnaire and do it as a participant it doesn't work.

With regard to the first comment, it's voluntary, it's precisely because there are two conditions and I want the participant to see only one of them.

As for the second comment, I didn't know if the sub-questions would be automatically mandatory. So I've just corrected that, thanks!

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3 years 3 months ago #228903 by Joffm
Replied by Joffm on topic Randomisation item tableau inter-groupe
You're right.
I missed that.
It is reproducable.

So file a bug report.
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