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9 years 11 months ago #126156 by NAMMLU
Rotation of blocks of pages was created by NAMMLU
Hi everyone!

I am looking for a solution to the following problem and would be really pleased if you guys could help me.
What I want to do is rotate blocks of pages in my questionnaire. Is that possible with limesurvey?

Thanks in advance!
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9 years 11 months ago #126158 by Mazi
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You are probably using group by group survey mode. If you want to rotate groups/pages you can assign the same randomization group name on group level to the to be randomized groups.
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9 years 5 months ago #133495 by ledoux
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Hello,
I have the same problem
Lime offers randomization between groups of questions (page per page).
For my part, I would like to randomize "blocks" of pages (no randomization between the pages into each block).

For example:
- Set 1 = 3 pages 1a, 1 b, 1 c
- Set 2 = 2 pages 2a, 2b
- etc.
Then I want to randomize the sets of pages (but pages remain in the same order into each block of pages).

Is that clear? Is this possible?
Thank you !!!
New user of LS but with the will to contribute to this great community !
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9 years 5 months ago #133508 by Mazi
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If a page is basically a group, then this isn't possible.
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9 years 5 months ago #133667 by ledoux
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Hi Mazi, thanks, what do you mean? That is I consider a group of pages (group), then it is not possible ? Seeing how lime is open, I can't not believe it is not feasible (simply)!! ;-)
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9 years 5 months ago #133715 by Mazi
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There are three survey modes at Limesurvey
- all in one
- question by question
- groups by group

If you make each set a block, it may work using group randomization. That's the only solution I can think of.
Best regards/Beste Grüße,
Dr. Marcel Minke
survey-consulting.com
offlinesurveys.com
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9 years 5 months ago #133760 by ledoux
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Hi Mazi
I'm sorry but I don't really understand what you mean with "If you make each set a block...".
What do you call a "set" ? and a "block" ?
Can you provide more details please? How can I create a "block of groups (of questions)" ?
Thank you very much
New user of LS but with the will to contribute to this great community !
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9 years 5 months ago #133774 by Mazi
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To put it in nutshell: Limesurvey only supports randomizing groups.

Thus, this isn't possible: "create a 'block of groups (of questions)'".
Best regards/Beste Grüße,
Dr. Marcel Minke
survey-consulting.com
offlinesurveys.com
Feel free to contact me by email for professional LimeSurvey support!
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9 years 5 months ago #133832 by ledoux
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Mazi, ok... but you said "If you make each set a block, it may work using group randomization. That's the only solution I can think of. " so is there a solution ? if yes, can you explain it to me "in a nutshelll" :-) ? thank you
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9 years 5 months ago #133835 by jelo
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le_doux wrote: so is there a solution ?

I would say no.

You can randomize order of questions groups in Limesurvey.
What you call pages is a questiongroup.

- Set 1 = 3 pages 1a, 1 b, 1 c
- Set 2 = 2 pages 2a, 2b

There is no way to put groups into a set.

A workaround is to copy groups. If e.g. only Set 1 and Set2 is changing orders, you will use Set1A+Set2A AND Set2B+Set1B.
Via a random number you choose which two sets are displayed. This can get a lot of work if many sets have to randomized and if you need to change things after the copy took place.
The meaning of the word "stable" for users
www.limesurvey.org/forum/development/117...ord-stable-for-users
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9 years 5 months ago #133907 by holch
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Limesurvey doesn't have a "page" concept, which I think is one of the major flaws of survey layout with Limesurvey. You can "abuse" question groups to work as pages through the group-by-group mode. But this means that you can't use the question groups for logical grouping rather than visual grouping into pages anymore.

To make a long story short: If you are not willing to hack the code and implement a "page" concept additionally to the "group" concept you will not be able to do what you want out of the box.
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9 years 5 months ago #133913 by jelo
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holch wrote: Limesurvey doesn't have a "page" concept, which I think is one of the major flaws of survey layout with Limesurvey.

What is the difference between page concept or question group? I cannot see a real difference at the moment.

What's missing is to additional group questions and choose which are fixed or randomized.
A JumpTo via conditions would allow to randomize the survey path too.
A conditioneditor for every question-group similar to this would help:

The meaning of the word "stable" for users
www.limesurvey.org/forum/development/117...ord-stable-for-users
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9 years 5 months ago #133920 by holch
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A question group can be a lot of things. It could be a page, but it could also the logic grouping of questions.

I am sure you had already similiar cases. For example, I have group of questions, let's say "socio-demographics", but I would like to split them up over 2 or 3 pages. I either have to create the groups SD1, SD2, SD3, in Limesurvey or I could create just 1 group SD1 and have it split up into pages (which is currently not possible in Limesurvey). Or I could have more than one question group shown on one screen without going with the all in one mode. If you seperate the visual grouping into a page concept, you have the question group free for other things. So you could rotate questions groups, but the group could go over more than 1 page.
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9 years 5 months ago #133921 by jelo
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holch wrote: I could create just 1 group SD1 and have it split up into pages (which is currently not possible in Limesurvey).

Ok, that makes sense to me. Not the visual separation of a page concept is missing. It's the lack of logical sets/collections of questions beside the optical separation that's missing. If Limesurvey devs would start implementing loops they would automatically add these logic sets/groups to define what will be looped. 2017 is the next chance to get some new features around questions into LS.
The meaning of the word "stable" for users
www.limesurvey.org/forum/development/117...ord-stable-for-users
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9 years 5 months ago #133924 by holch
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No, actually I think the "page" concept IS missing.

I would like to have groups of questions that I can define however it makes sense to me and I would like to be able to define how questions and question groups are distributed over "pages" or "screens" in a survey. Because the thematical or logical grouping doesn't necessary have to match the visual grouping or survey flow.
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